Further to my posting few weeks back with my views on this matter, please refer to the latest response to my reply to following emails from Liew, current troop leader of ESG (by order of latest to earliest, top to bottom). Please provide your comments and any intended responses accordingly.
Ong Chin Kee
016-3403793
03-20348173 (O)
03-90750268 (R)
Email messages between myself and Liew, current troop leader :
From: "Liew -" <darkblizzard_esg@hotmail.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert To: chinkeeong@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Repair Part II Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:11:48 +0000
okay.Anyway i think i found a source of money.Just help out anyway that u all can.Thanks anyway.
Liew,
James and yourself cannot make any assumptions on what the old boys are prepared to do. As mentioned in my earlier email, I have conveyed your message to them. You need to bear in mind our earlier messages, which have basically not been responded to, i.e. that you guys should plan what you want to do, get quotations, for the old boys to consider whether and how they may be able to help and basically you guys should do the work, including getting paint ! For us old boys, ESG has basically always worked for our money and our needs , with some materials discounted. Again, I can only convey what you guys are asking for and I'm leaving it to the old boys for their opinions on your requests and any action they may want to take but you have to also take heed of what we're saying here because to us scouting also means being industrious, resourceful, being independent and basically working for what we want and that money does not come or flow easily. Please understand our message, it's not that we do not want to help.
Chin Kee .
Liew - <darkblizzard_esg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Last time ,James said that you all may helpus with the stuff.If yiu all can ,we would need your help to get some paint.this is to repaint the whole Scout Den from upstairs to outside.The colours that we need is :
Red paint x 1
Yellow Paint x 1
White Paint x 2
Dark Green x 1
I am doing a proposal as the guidance throughout the repairs.
From: "Liew -"
To: chinkeeong@yahoo.com
Subject: Repair!!!
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:19:24 +0000
Did not contact you ,as exam is on .Just to tell u that we all going to start fixing the Scout Den this upcoming holiday.We are planning to collect rm10 from seniors and rm 5 from juniors.Date is not confirmed yet byt maybe on the second week as there will be hari raya.May take a whole week.
Problems
1. one part of the roof is leaking
2.another part of the floor is also fragile.
3.The COH door needs to be repaired.
4The upper floor needs to be painted.
5.Toilet is the biggest problem.
6.The bakau and bamboo rack have to be enlarged for all the new bakaus and bamboos
What we gonna do
we planning to fix the roof and floor.We will also be repainting the scout den ,mostly upstairs and probably the whole den.The C.O.H doors will be fixed and be painted again.The toilet is still a big problem.Dunno what to do with it.The bakau and bamboo rack will be made bigger with tying some knots and probably will be making a new rack.
That's our plan during the November holiday.So if you have any suggestion or can help us in any way ,please e mail me.
Current ESG - Den repairs and assisting them (my view) :
Dear Eagle Link members,
With regards to captioned subject, I'm opening for debate on whether on how we should move on, based on following factors and events :
(1) They do need help in terms of den repairs and probably other forms of assistance
like skills, knowledge in scouting and organising events, etc.
(2) Their modus operandi and scouting in itself has changed a lot, e.g.
(a) They have been organised into each units, by forms, where they seem to
function independently. Those after form 5 are under another 'rovers' unit.
(b) They do not seem to work for money any more. Their visitor record book asks
for donations and the many pieces of wood for their 'longest bridge in
Malaysia', as per Malaysian Book of Records, was bought from a shop, with
donated money, I believe.
(c) Their campfires are quite different, seem to be more of a social gathering
and pretty much modernised with singing, etc.
(d) Their meetings do not focus so much on scouting or scoutcraft any more, as
they acknowledge they are rather weak in this area.
(3) The boys are very enthusiastic and the spirit is basically still there.
(4) Personally, I feel they are rather spoonfed and they are not keen on learning to
do certain things on their own, e.g. looking for and talking to contractors,
looking for lorries, etc, although some of you may differ with me to say that
the 'adults' should help them with these tasks.
In conclusion, my proposal, moving forward, is that it's quite tough to help these guys in any organized way. It may be better that everyone of us simply visits them on Saturdays individually and see whether individual assistance should be rendered, may it be donations or skills or knowledge transfer (whatever you may still have or remember) or even report back to me for dissemination or any voluntary contribution from ourselves. In other words, I do not mind being the 'mediator' amongst us old boys but not so much with the current boys directly, that it's left to each of you as individuals to decide whether or how you want to help and I would strongly urge everyone to avoid doing what the current boys themselves should be doing or in any way interfering with what and how the current boys should do, as it's their ESG and their show.
Ong Chin Kee
016-3403793
03-20348173 (O)
03-90750268 (R)
